Legislature(2011 - 2012)HOUSE FINANCE 519

02/14/2011 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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01:33:18 PM Start
01:34:29 PM HB107
02:30:39 PM Adjourn
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*+ HB 107 BUDGET: CAPITAL TELECONFERENCED
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+ Capital Budget Overview by Karen Rehfeld, TELECONFERENCED
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HOUSE BILL NO. 107                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  making and amending  appropriations, including                                                                    
     capital   appropriations   and  other   appropriations;                                                                    
     making   appropriations   to  capitalize   funds;   and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:34:29 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:34:57 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
KAREN REHFELD,  DIRECTOR, OFFICE  OF MANAGEMENT  AND BUDGET,                                                                    
OFFICE  OF  THE  GOVERNOR,  provided   an  overview  of  the                                                                    
governor's  proposed  FY  12  capital  budget  request.  She                                                                    
summarized  that   the  total  for  the   capital  bill  was                                                                    
$1,612,598,600.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld provided  highlights of  the budget.  She noted                                                                    
that  a key  component of  the request  was $103  million of                                                                    
general  funds to  match or  leverage over  $705 million  of                                                                    
federal and other funds for specific projects, including:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   · $623 million, Department of Transportation and Public                                                                      
     Facilities (DOT/PF), federal highway and aviation                                                                          
     funds                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   · $42.3    million,     Department    of    Environmental                                                                    
     Conservation (DEC), village safe water projects                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
   · $20 million, DEC, 9 municipal water and sewer projects                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   · $5 million, municipal harbor grant program (50/50                                                                          
     match)                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   · $65.7 million, Susitna Hydro-Electric Project (from                                                                        
     the balance of the Railbelt energy funds) for                                                                              
     Southcentral Alaska.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze reminded  the committee  that the  Susitna                                                                    
project  would benefit  Northern  and  Interior Alaska,  and                                                                    
that the Railbelt extended beyond Southcentral.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:38:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld continued with her list of highlighted items:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   · $25 million, renewable energy grants                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   · $25 million, weatherization program                                                                                        
   · $10 million, Southeast energy grant fund                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   · $10.5 million, access for three specific road                                                                              
     projects:                                                                                                                  
        o Continuation of environmental work on the                                                                             
          corridor from the Dalton Highway to Gubik and                                                                         
          Umiat; $8 million requested in the FY 11 budget,                                                                      
          $8 million in the FY 12 budget                                                                                        
        o Continuation of work on the Ambler mining                                                                             
          district access, $1.25 million                                                                                        
        o Continuing work on western access                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   · $20 million, Port of Anchorage                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   · $20 million, Pt. MacKenzie                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   · $10 million, Skagway dock and terminal improvements                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld noted continued  efforts on gasline development,                                                                    
both in-state  and the Alaska Gasline  Inducement Act (AGIA)                                                                    
project:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   · $160 million, reimbursements under AGIA                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   · $5.5 million, continuation on work on the in-state gas                                                                     
     development project                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld  noted that  the  legislature  would receive  a                                                                    
report July 1, 2011 about the in-state gas project.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:40:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  queried the thought process  behind taking                                                                    
Alaska  Housing  Finance  Corporation  (AHFC)  Capital  Fund                                                                    
Program  funds instead  of unrestricted  general funds.  Ms.                                                                    
Rehfeld  responded  that for  the  last  several years,  the                                                                    
governor's proposal has been to  take the AGIA reimbursement                                                                    
out of  the AHFC capital  fund. She acknowledged  the debate                                                                    
over  the funds,  related to  whether the  funds were  to be                                                                    
used for matching funds or for gas development.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze wanted  the public  and  policy makers  to                                                                    
understand that  there was  real money  in the  capital fund                                                                    
that was available for other projects.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas asked why surplus  cruise ship money was not                                                                    
used for the Skagway dock  improvements, instead of the AHFC                                                                    
funds. Ms. Rehfeld  replied that the dock  facility could be                                                                    
used  by cruise  ships and  by barges  that remove  ore. She                                                                    
pointed out  that the amended  budget proposal  would likely                                                                    
have a proposal to switch funds for the project.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas thought  about 75 percent of  the dock's use                                                                    
was cruise  ships and 25  percent for ore removal.  He asked                                                                    
whether the  item was predicated  on getting  ownership from                                                                    
White Pass, which owned the  dock. Ms. Rehfeld answered that                                                                    
she was not  aware of any particular  contingency related to                                                                    
the   project.  She   noted  that   the  Alaska   Industrial                                                                    
Development and  Export Authority (AIDEA) was  involved with                                                                    
the loading  facility and  that the  item would  assist that                                                                    
project. She believed the project  was not specific to White                                                                    
Pass. She offered to get the information.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas pointed  out that  the language  stipulated                                                                    
that White Pass was involved.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld highlighted items related to education:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   · $28.5 million, Department of Education and Early                                                                           
     Development (DEED), for Quinhagak, the first school on                                                                     
     the early development school construction grant list                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   · $19.9 million, DEED, for the first 14 projects on the                                                                      
     school major-maintenance list                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  observed that  the  schools  on the  list                                                                    
appeared to  be located in  Western Alaska. Ms.  Rehfeld did                                                                    
not  have  the grant  list,  but  believed that  any  school                                                                    
district in the  state was eligible to apply  for the grant.                                                                    
The requests were evaluated on an annual basis.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:44:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld offered  to provide a sectional  analysis of the                                                                    
bill,  which  contained  12 sections.  She  began  with  the                                                                    
numbers section:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   · Section 1: just over $1.4 billion                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld  detailed that  the  section  was organized  by                                                                    
department  and   listed  in  priority  order   within  each                                                                    
department. All  deferred maintenance  requests were  at the                                                                    
end  of the  list, except  for DOT/PF  projects, which  were                                                                    
listed   by  program   area;   within  appropriations,   the                                                                    
community  projects were  in alphabetical  order. She  noted                                                                    
that  the capital  books given  to committee  members had  a                                                                    
project review listing for each  department; the listing had                                                                    
specific reference numbers,  backup page numbers, indication                                                                    
of appropriation  or allocation, project title,  and funding                                                                    
sources. The  information could be  used to find  backup and                                                                    
get more detail on specific projects.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
   · Sections 2 and 3 (pages 38 through 44): Summaries of                                                                       
     projects appropriated  in Section  1, listed  either by                                                                    
     department or total fund                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld noted  that the  language portion  of the  bill                                                                    
began on page 45.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   · Section 4: Legislative Budget and Audit language                                                                           
     appropriation.  Allows that  federal and  other program                                                                    
     receipts  that  come  in   after  the  legislature  has                                                                    
     adjourned  can go  before  the  Legislative Budget  and                                                                    
     Audit Committee for consideration.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze pointed out that  three schools on the list                                                                    
he referred  to earlier  were in Co-Chair  Thomas' district;                                                                    
the remainder were in Western Alaska.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara commented  that the  largest school  on                                                                    
the  deferred  maintenance list  that  got  funded the  year                                                                    
prior was Service High School in Anchorage.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   · Section 5 (page 45, lines 17 through 20), fund                                                                             
     capitalization  section. Subsection  (a): $160  million                                                                    
     requested for  the AGIA reimbursement  project. Through                                                                    
     FY  11,   $185  million   had  been   appropriated  for                                                                    
     reimbursement of allowable  expenditures under the AGIA                                                                    
     project;  the  FY 12  request  would  bring the  amount                                                                    
     available for reimbursement to $345 million.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld referred  to a report provided  to the committee                                                                    
by   the  Department   of   Revenue   containing  all   AGIA                                                                    
reimbursements  to  date  and the  anticipated  expenditures                                                                    
under the program.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   · Section 5, subsection (b): $100,000 Division of                                                                            
     Elections  for polling  place access  and improvements.                                                                    
     Specific  to the  Help America  Vote Act  fund, federal                                                                    
     funds for election-related activities  are put into the                                                                    
     fund,  and  appropriations  are requested  out  of  the                                                                    
     fund.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:49:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   · Section 6 (page 45, lines 26 through 31), related to                                                                       
     fund  transfers. Subsection  (a):  $22  million, to  go                                                                    
     into the Alaska  Capital Income fund and  a $25 million                                                                    
     fund  transfer  from  the  AHFC  capital  fund  to  the                                                                    
     renewable energy grant fund.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld reminded the committee  that the legislature had                                                                    
already  approved $150  million  into  the renewable  energy                                                                    
grant fund; that  has been made available  for 124 projects.                                                                    
The Alaska Energy Authority (AEA)  estimated that by the end                                                                    
of the year,  the renewable energy fund  projects would save                                                                    
2.5 million gallons of diesel  annually; by the end of 2012,                                                                    
renewable  energy  fund projects  were  expected  to save  8                                                                    
million gallons of diesel annually.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon queried the  $25 million threshold. He                                                                    
wondered whether  the number  was what  AEA could  absorb at                                                                    
the  present.  He noted  that  the  list  was long,  and  he                                                                    
understood that  more than $25 million  had been recommended                                                                    
to OMB.  Ms. Rehfeld believed the  original legislation that                                                                    
created the renewable energy fund  anticipated a $50 million                                                                    
appropriation per  year over a five-year  period. Initially,                                                                    
there  was some  funding  made available  to jump-start  the                                                                    
project; it  took AEA a  while to  get the grant  process in                                                                    
place. She  believed the  program was ready  to go,  and the                                                                    
governor's  budget  proposed  $25 million  as  the  starting                                                                    
point. She believed the program was working well.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan  asked  for  more  information  about                                                                    
Section  6(a).  Ms.  Rehfeld  responded  that  Section  6(a)                                                                    
represented the  income from the  Amerada Hess  fund income,                                                                    
which  was  transferred  annually into  the  Alaska  capital                                                                    
income   fund.  The   legislature  could   choose  to   make                                                                    
appropriations from the Alaska capital income fund.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Doogan asked  whether there were restrictions                                                                    
on  what the  fund could  be spent  on. Ms.  Rehfeld replied                                                                    
that there were no restrictions.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  asked whether  oil energy  costs were                                                                    
measured  by  kilowatt  hours  spent  by  a  community.  Ms.                                                                    
Rehfeld thought AEA had extensive  inventory of costs broken                                                                    
down by community.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:53:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson referred  to wind  projects and  cost                                                                    
comparisons to  what was already  being spent.  She wondered                                                                    
whether  Alaska  was  at bottom-line  savings  in  terms  of                                                                    
energy costs.  Ms. Rehfeld  replied that  she could  get the                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stoltze   referred  to   weatherization   program                                                                    
formulas and queried the plan  for the $25 million. He noted                                                                    
that the  budget backup  materials referred  to the  item as                                                                    
the  "Lyman  Hoffman  weatherization program."  Ms.  Rehfeld                                                                    
stated that she  was not aware of  specific attribution. She                                                                    
answered that the  $25 million in the  governor's budget was                                                                    
proposed  specifically for  the weatherization  program. The                                                                    
other program  was the energy rebate  program, through which                                                                    
AHFC reimbursed for specific energy efficiency projects.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  noted  that  the item  was  for  a  grant                                                                    
program instead of the rebate  program, which was considered                                                                    
more of  an urban program.  Ms. Rehfeld answered  that there                                                                    
were specific eligibility requirements under each program.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Edgmon  noted that there was  $200 million to                                                                    
the  weatherization program  and  $160 million  to the  home                                                                    
energy  rebate  program  ($360   million  total).  He  asked                                                                    
whether  the $25  million went  fully to  weatherization. He                                                                    
wondered whether there was still  money in the queue for the                                                                    
home energy rebate  program. Ms. Rehfeld offered  to get the                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  spoke to  the harbor  fund. He  pointed out                                                                    
that for water communities,  harbors were the starting point                                                                    
for   sport  fish,   commercial  charters,   and  commercial                                                                    
fishermen.  He  called  the  harbor   system  the  "road  to                                                                    
resources"  for fishing  industry communities.  He spoke  to                                                                    
the fact  that half  the requests  were vetoed,  even though                                                                    
the program  was a  match program; 50  percent of  the money                                                                    
had to  come from local  municipalities. He noted  that only                                                                    
five harbor projects were in  the budget; he felt people who                                                                    
wanted to build roads to  oil resources would be insulted by                                                                    
such a low number.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  wanted  a  detailed  explanation  of  the                                                                    
energy programs. Ms. Rehfeld agreed.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:58:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg believed  the energy  allocations                                                                    
were  made based  on  degree  days, cost  of  BTUs, and  the                                                                    
extent of  need. He  reported that  people in  his community                                                                    
had  difficulties  getting  into   the  rebate  program.  He                                                                    
queried  the  criteria  used. Ms.  Rehfeld  offered  to  get                                                                    
information  on   the  allocations   and  balances   in  the                                                                    
programs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  pointed out  that the  renewable energy                                                                    
program was originally  slated for $50 million  per year. He                                                                    
questioned the  amount in the budget  for the weatherization                                                                    
program.   Ms.   Rehfeld   responded   that   the   original                                                                    
legislation  for  the  renewable   energy  fund  had  intent                                                                    
language stating that  there would be $50  million per year;                                                                    
the  proposed FY  12 capital  budget requested  $25 million.                                                                    
She  anticipated discussion  about whether  to increase  the                                                                    
amount to  the $50 million.  The FY 12 budget  requested $25                                                                    
million for  the weatherization program, not  for the energy                                                                    
rebate  program.  She offered  to  provide  the committee  a                                                                    
breakdown (through  AHFC) of  the funding  already committed                                                                    
and what was still available for the two programs.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara asked whether  the proposal was for zero                                                                    
money into  the home  energy rebate program  for FY  12. Ms.                                                                    
Rehfeld  responded that  the FY  12  budget did  not have  a                                                                    
request for the energy rebate program.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neuman referred  to the comprehensive highway                                                                    
safety plan in  the budget at $400,000. He  pointed out that                                                                    
two  of the  deadliest highways  were in  his district,  the                                                                    
corridor on the Parks Highway  from Wasilla to Big Lake, and                                                                    
Knik-Goose  Bay  Road,  where   two  community  members  had                                                                    
recently died.   He asked  how the safety concerns  would be                                                                    
addressed in the budget. He  pointed out that all the trucks                                                                    
on the  "roads to  resources" plan  used the  Parks Highway.                                                                    
Ms.   Rehfeld  responded   that  between   DOT/PF  and   the                                                                    
Department  of  Public  Safety (DPS),  there  was  a  shared                                                                    
effort  regarding highway  safety for  the roads  mentioned.                                                                    
She  added that  federal  highways safety  funds were  being                                                                    
utilized  for additional  trooper presence  and enforcement,                                                                    
for  outreach  and  education on  highway  safety,  and  for                                                                    
improvements  to the  particular roadways.  She referred  to                                                                    
additional    funds    slated    through    the    Statewide                                                                    
Transportation Improvement  Program (STIP)  for improvements                                                                    
to the area. She thought  the departments could provide more                                                                    
specific details.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:03:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze noted difficulty in speaking to DOT/PF.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neuman referred to  the $250,000 item for the                                                                    
snowmobile trail development program.  He thought the tracks                                                                    
program  usually  received  over  $1.5  million  in  federal                                                                    
funds. He asked where the  remainder of the money was going.                                                                    
Ms. Rehfeld responded  that she did not know  and offered to                                                                    
get more information.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld continued with the sectional analysis.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   · Section 7 (page 46, lines 1 through 5): Language                                                                           
     authorizing  settlements   from  insurance   claims  or                                                                    
     losses  into the  general fund,  appropriated into  the                                                                    
     state insurance catastrophic reserve account.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   · Section 8 (page 46, lines 6 through 11): Specific to                                                                       
     National   Petroleum  Reserve   grants;  $5.4   million                                                                    
     estimated  in FY  12 from  the U.S.  Department of  the                                                                    
     Interior,  Bureau of  Land  Management,  50 percent  of                                                                    
     federal money for sales, rentals,  or leases within the                                                                    
     National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska (NPR-A).                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld detailed  that DCCED  managed the  annual grant                                                                    
application process  for public  services and  facilities in                                                                    
communities directly  impacted by  leases or  development of                                                                    
oil  and gas  within  the NPR-A.  She  anticipated that  the                                                                    
amended budget  would identify  the grants  selected through                                                                    
the annual review.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   · Section 9 (page 46, lines 12 through 19): Related to                                                                       
     the Alaska  Energy Authority (AEA). Subsection  (a): $2                                                                    
     million  interest earnings  from  the renewable  energy                                                                    
     fund, appropriated  to AEA for  program administration.                                                                    
     Subsection (b): Specific  appropriation for the balance                                                                    
     of the  Railbelt energy fund  to be used  for planning,                                                                    
     design, and  permitting for the  Susitna hydro-electric                                                                    
     project to  complete field work for  the Federal Energy                                                                    
     Regulatory  Commission  (FERC)   application  in  early                                                                    
     2015.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  asked  whether  Railbelt  energy                                                                    
funds would  no longer exist  if subsection (b)  passed. Ms.                                                                    
Rehfeld   believed  there   was  a   bill  currently   under                                                                    
consideration  that would  change the  current configuration                                                                    
of the  Railbelt energy  fund for  the specific  project. If                                                                    
the  bill did  not pass,  the appropriation  would take  the                                                                    
balance and  purpose it toward  the project; the  fund would                                                                    
not necessarily go away, unless  it was decided to eliminate                                                                    
it. The  fund would exist  until any projects  or activities                                                                    
appropriated through the fund were completed.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg  surmised that  the fund  would be                                                                    
empty and could be eliminated. Ms. Rehfeld agreed.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:08:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan referred  to Section  9(a) estimating                                                                    
$2  million available  for administration  of the  renewable                                                                    
energy  grant fund.  He  asked whether  $2  million was  the                                                                    
total  cost  of  administration   and  how  the  number  was                                                                    
derived.  Ms.   Rehfeld  replied  that  AEA   had  used  the                                                                    
mechanism  for the  first  time  in the  FY  11 budget;  the                                                                    
budget was built around a  combination of individual project                                                                    
management  costs  and  the administrative  portion  of  the                                                                    
budget. She  believed the  $2 million  would help  cover the                                                                    
specific costs; the  fiscal note for HB 152  did not provide                                                                    
AEA  with  sufficient funding  to  manage  the program.  She                                                                    
offered to get more information.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan turned  to Section  9(b) with  a more                                                                    
precise number  ($65,731,100) and  asked how the  number was                                                                    
derived. Ms.  Rehfeld responded that  $65.7 million  was the                                                                    
estimate  of the  available balance  of  the fund,  although                                                                    
there  were  projects that  had  not  been closed  out.  She                                                                    
offered to provide the committee  with the AEA timeline that                                                                    
outlined specific steps for the  project. She noted that the                                                                    
appropriation   would   get   AEA  partway   to   the   FERC                                                                    
application.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan thought  projects should  be financed                                                                    
year-to-year and not be made  capital projects. He asked for                                                                    
information regarding how much of  the money was expected to                                                                    
be spent  year-to-year. Ms. Rehfeld  offered to  provide him                                                                    
with the  AEA timeline. She  addressed the issue  of whether                                                                    
projects  should  be funded  through  the  operating or  the                                                                    
capital  budget. She  stated that  timing  was difficult  in                                                                    
larger and  more complex projects. The  capital budget (with                                                                    
lapsing  language)  provided  some  flexibility  to  address                                                                    
changing conditions.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan stated  that the  process was  either                                                                    
taking  money that  could  be spent  for  something else  or                                                                    
making  the decision  to take  on and  complete a  large and                                                                    
expensive  project. He  did not  want to  back into  a large                                                                    
financial  commitment  by using  a  smaller  portion of  the                                                                    
total funding  needed in  order to take  a specific  step in                                                                    
the  process overall.  He questioned  whether  that was  the                                                                    
best approach.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:13:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze referred  to decisions made in  the past by                                                                    
the committee to fund portions of projects.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Costello  queried   the  philosophy  of  the                                                                    
administration   on  the   difference   between  using   the                                                                    
operating  and capital  budgets  for  certain projects.  She                                                                    
queried  the considerations  used,  especially for  projects                                                                    
that cost year after year.  Ms. Rehfeld responded that there                                                                    
were several  things to consider  when looking  at operating                                                                    
and capital  budgets; there  was not  one answer  that would                                                                    
fit all  situations. The executive and  legislative branches                                                                    
had  struggled in  recent years  with appropriations  in the                                                                    
operating budget  that were placed in  the governor's office                                                                    
and  then  allocated  out  to   line  agencies  for  various                                                                    
purposes,  such   as  gasline  activity  and   the  domestic                                                                    
violence and  prevention funds. Funds were  allocated out to                                                                    
specific agencies for  work within a given  fiscal year, and                                                                    
at the  end of  the fiscal  year, the  internal reimbursable                                                                    
services agreements  (RSAs) have  to be reconciled  to close                                                                    
out the budgets.  In cases where the funding  was not spent,                                                                    
the administration  might come  back to the  legislature and                                                                    
ask for an  extension of a lapse date on  an operating item.                                                                    
She  acknowledged that  the process  of managing  multi-year                                                                    
operating  items  was  sometimes  confusing  and  difficult.                                                                    
Structurally, it depended on the  will of the legislature as                                                                    
the session went on, whether  to use the operating budget in                                                                    
the  preferred  way  or  use the  capital  budget  with  its                                                                    
ability to flex one year to the next.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld provided  the example  of  funding for  tourism                                                                    
marketing.  The  FY  12 budget  proposed  a  starting  point                                                                    
derived from exactly what had  happened in the FY 11 budget;                                                                    
a portion of a grant  going specifically through the capital                                                                    
budget to the Alaska  Travel Industry Association (ATIA) and                                                                    
then  in the  operating budget,  putting the  amount through                                                                    
the qualified  trade association (if  not going back  to the                                                                    
50/50 matching  requirement). The  item was framed  that way                                                                    
as a starting point, as  discussion was expected about which                                                                    
direction  the   legislature  wanted  to  take   related  to                                                                    
marketing on a broader scale.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld provided  another example of a  budget item that                                                                    
had   been   discussed    during   the   supplemental   bill                                                                    
presentation.  The Department  of  Law (DOL)  had two  large                                                                    
requests  in the  capital  budget for  oil  and gas  related                                                                    
litigation  and  for  the BP  litigation.  She  stated  that                                                                    
timing was  difficult in  both the  examples of  tourism and                                                                    
litigation.  She noted  an  operating  supplemental item  of                                                                    
nearly $4 million for DOL for litigations.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Rehfeld  summarized  that  some  kinds  of  items  were                                                                    
considered on  a case-by-case basis.  She referred  to other                                                                    
instances  where   one-time  items   were  rolled   into  an                                                                    
operating   budget  and   then   rolled   out,  which   made                                                                    
comparisons  difficult  from  one  year  to  the  next.  She                                                                    
summarized that the administration  was trying to manage all                                                                    
the complexities and make sense  out of them in the budgets;                                                                    
ultimately the  legislature would  decide whether  the items                                                                    
were funded and where they were located in the budgets.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:19:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Costello believed  that  the government  was                                                                    
working for the  public. She thought people  in her district                                                                    
understood  that  the operating  budget  ran  the basics  of                                                                    
government  and   the  capital   budget  was   for  one-time                                                                    
projects.  She  understood  the   need  for  flexibility  as                                                                    
projects  changed,  but  reminded  the  committee  that  the                                                                    
public was  also involved in the  discussion. A constituency                                                                    
might  charge  a  legislator with  reducing  the  growth  of                                                                    
government, but the capital budget  was confusing to explain                                                                    
in that regard.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  commented that it  was good to  start with                                                                    
the premise that the two  budgets were for the two purposes,                                                                    
but there  were unavoidable  circumstances that  brought the                                                                    
capital and operating budgets into each other.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson agreed that  the capital budget should                                                                    
be  for one-time,  infrastructure projects.  She pointed  to                                                                    
budget  items  in  the  capital   budget  for  computer  and                                                                    
telephone  upgrades.  She was  reminded  of  the process  of                                                                    
determining  what was  a deduction  or not  when filing  for                                                                    
taxes with  the Internal Revenue Service  (IRS). She likened                                                                    
upgrading  lighting  in  a house  to  maintenance  projects,                                                                    
compared to  residing the house  would be a  major, one-time                                                                    
project, comparable  to a  capital-budget item.  She thought                                                                    
capital  projects were  also related  to creating  jobs. She                                                                    
asked whether  capital items were considered  from the basis                                                                    
of whether job opportunities  would be provided. Ms. Rehfeld                                                                    
responded that  "in the perfect world,"  an operating budget                                                                    
would have  sufficient funding to take  care of year-to-year                                                                    
maintenance and sufficient funding  to pay for unpredictable                                                                    
items   like    litigation   costs.   She    believed   that                                                                    
collectively, government had worked  hard to minimize growth                                                                    
in the  state agency operating  budgets, which had  ended up                                                                    
limiting  the ability  of agencies  to address  year-to-year                                                                    
needs without  capital requests.  She stated that  there was                                                                    
no  "cushion"  left in  agency  budgets  to deal  with  more                                                                    
expensive or unpredictable needs.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:23:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  asked whether communities  were asked                                                                    
about their ability to keep  building upgrades through local                                                                    
budgets  for  clearly capital  items  such  as schools.  Ms.                                                                    
Rehfeld  responded  that the  state  had  an annual  school-                                                                    
funding  formula to  provide resources  to school  districts                                                                    
for school  projects, and  school districts  had to  put on-                                                                    
going  maintenance and  operating  costs  into their  annual                                                                    
budgets.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson  thought there was a  lot of "building                                                                    
new" in the state, which  created a lot of major maintenance                                                                    
issues.  She thought  there should  be  a major  maintenance                                                                    
plan when a new facility was  built. She did not think there                                                                    
was  such a  plan, or  there would  not be  such a  need for                                                                    
upgrades. She  thought something was missing,  especially as                                                                    
state  revenue  was   decreasing.  She  thought  communities                                                                    
should  contribute to  sustain  expense.  Ms. Rehfeld  noted                                                                    
that  schools  have  to   demonstrate  that  a  preventative                                                                    
maintenance  plan  was  in  place   before  they  were  even                                                                    
eligible   to   apply   for  grants   through   the   school                                                                    
construction or  major maintenance fund. Some  of the grants                                                                    
in  the  budgets were  large  and  exceeded the  ability  of                                                                    
districts to  take care  of the  on-going expenses  in their                                                                    
annual  budgets.  She pointed  to  the  backlog of  deferred                                                                    
maintenance in  state facilities,  and agreed  that on-going                                                                    
preventative maintenance programs were critical.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson noted that  she was talking about more                                                                    
than schools,  but about parks  and programs  throughout the                                                                    
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  pointed out  that deferred  maintenance by                                                                    
definition was setting something  aside; waiting long enough                                                                    
would  make  the  issue  bad  enough  to  become  a  capital                                                                    
project.  He   opined  that   evasive  behavior   was  being                                                                    
rewarded.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:27:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara thought the  Interior would benefit most                                                                    
from  the  Susitna  hydro  project   because  the  price  of                                                                    
electricity  was  very  high  in  the  region.  He  wondered                                                                    
whether analysis  had been made  to determine that  the cost                                                                    
of  the  project  would  result in  lower  power  costs,  as                                                                    
compared to  spending less on  another project.  Ms. Rehfeld                                                                    
responded  that AEA  had reviewed  the issue  using previous                                                                    
funding. She thought AEA could provide specific analysis.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara believed  electricity produced  through                                                                    
diesel  was  expensive  in   Fairbanks.  While  the  Susitna                                                                    
project  would reduce  rates in  the  northern Railbelt,  it                                                                    
would not necessarily reduce rates  in the lower part of the                                                                    
region.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  commented that no community  had regretted                                                                    
getting  on   hydro,  because   it  resulted   in  long-term                                                                    
stability.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld continued with the sectional analysis.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   · Section 10 (page 46): Grant to Life Alaska Donor                                                                           
     Services for the Anatomical Gift Public Awareness and                                                                      
     Transplantation Fund                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   · Section 11: Lapsed provisions for the sections of the                                                                      
     bill  related to  fund  capitalizations,  which do  not                                                                    
     lapse (Sections  5, 6,  and 7). Sections  8 and  9 were                                                                    
     capital projects.  Named recipient  grants also  do not                                                                    
     lapse,  unless a  capital  appropriation was  otherwise                                                                    
     stated.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
  · Section 12: Effective date of the bill: July 1, 2011                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:30:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon wondered  whether there  would be  an                                                                    
energy hearing in  the finance committee. He  stated that he                                                                    
wanted one.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  responded that an energy  hearing would be                                                                    
set up for the committee.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JAMES   ARMSTRONG,  STAFF,   REPRESENTATIVE  BILL   STOLTZE,                                                                    
presented some  Capital Projects Submission  and Information                                                                    
System  (CAPSIS)   data.  He  noted  that   the  committee's                                                                    
submission  deadline  had  expired  February  11,  2011.  He                                                                    
provided  data  compared with  numbers  from  past years  to                                                                    
provide  perspective:  Two  years prior,  there  were  1,117                                                                    
project requests; one year ago,  there were 1,439; this year                                                                    
there were 1,576.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  reported  that CAPSIS  had  improved  the                                                                    
recording  of  capital   project  requests.  Everything  was                                                                    
digital and online and the  system removed the necessity for                                                                    
the  cumbersome binders.  He  noted  that communities,  non-                                                                    
profits,  and legislators  could  call the  Senate or  House                                                                    
Finance  Committee Co-Chair's  offices  (Senator Stedman  or                                                                    
Representative  Stoltze) to  get  a password  to submit  the                                                                    
requests.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas queried  the  total amount  of the  capital                                                                    
requests.  Mr.  Armstrong   responded  that  the  governor's                                                                    
request for  FY 12  was $1.68  billion. In  FY 11  the 1,439                                                                    
requests equated to over $2.5 billion.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Armstrong   explained  that  all  offices   could  view                                                                    
statewide  requests  on  CAPSIS   as  well  as  projects  in                                                                    
specific districts. The deadline  for the members to present                                                                    
capital budget priorities would be  Monday, February 28 at 5                                                                    
p.m.  He noted  that  there would  be  a technical  training                                                                    
session for staff.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule commented that he was grateful that                                                                        
earmarks were still alive and well, as they were sometimes                                                                      
more representative of the needs of the districts.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                

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